Get out of trouble tools

[Freak]

What tools do you carry
Have you any tips or useful suggestions for particular bikes

[devon-tony]

for my bikes only one tool needed

RAC card

[slob]

just carry the pikey manufacturers kit...and rac card :D

[Kylie]

Carole Nash breakdown cover, a pair of tits and a smile :D

"oh look i seem to be having a problem with my motorcycle and I'm just a girlie, I couldn't possibly put that bolt back in, I might break a nail" :D

Of course I'd never *actually* do it...

[Big Pete]

I carry a Leatherman, a 6" adjustable and an L shaped widget with a 1/4" hex socket in each end that takes screwdrive bits and has an adaptor to take 1/4" drive sockets. There are 8,10,12,13,14 mm sockets to go with the widget plus a 5 and 6 mm allen bit, plus a plug wrench. I also carry a few fuses, a roll of 'leccy tape, a short length of wire and a few nuts and bolts. All the above lives in my jacket all the time. My tankbag has a set of lightwieght jump leads with small clips that I made up specifically for bike use. Mostly, if I cant fix it with that that gear, it isnt going to get fixed on the side of the road.

On a shakedown run after a rebuild I carry a few more bits around, bigger adjustable usually, and some tools specific to what ever has recently been modified.

BTW, on 400/500/550 four SOHC Hondas, you need the proper plug wrench because a normal one is damn near impossible to get into the plug recesses.

[weesis]

a pair of tits and a smile :D


pmsl.... works for me 2 doll!!! though I am learning 2 fix it masel!!

[Kylie]

I do actually normally have a leatherman style tool... comes in rather handy when you discover your bar end is making a bid for freedom once again!!!

I can fix most things myself now, but the main problem is that without a full set of allan keys and much time and effort you can't get too anything as it's a fully faired bike....

[Spike]

leatherman Crunch,mini maglight, small adjustable spanner, emergency cable repair kit (bout £7) bulbs, wire, fuses, small hand pump for tyres, length of plastic pipe (syphon tube) need to add screwdrivers (one of each) roll of lekky tape and 9v battery and emergency charger for mobile phone !!

works for me :)

[bill?]

AA card and a mobile phone works for me :D



but when out on the chop I've usually got a couple of spanners to tighten up things that have vibrated loose. :eek:

[Dougie]

Plug spanner with spare plugs,6" adjustable,Allen keys,cable repair kit (very handy!)self-amalgamating rubber tape,leccy tape,screwdriver with 4 bits,spark plug brush,always have a multitool (leatherman type thing) on my belt.

[The Beer Monsters]

...without a full set of allan keys....Go to a music shop and look at a Guit-tool...

[Bosun]

I have a toolset i brought in from the states, a large adjustable, and lots of cableties ( but all sit unused ( goes off to touch wood)



never really needed much since my horrid bonnie days

[GreatBritishRob]

Carry a headtorch. You can have all the tools in the world but if you cant see bugger all theres no point.
Tell ya another place to check for what tools are handy. Buy an Enduro magazine or the likes (TBM has a website). Theyve worked stuff out cause you need tools for sure on the big enduros.

[Simon B]

Standard tool kit + allen keys, and a leatherman. If its a long run pack my small ratchet set with sockets up to 16mm and if all else fails get the AA out

Does make me larf all the people that just rely on the recovery cause you dont half look a twat if its just a nut and bolt need tightening

[krammer]

tool's freak? :D now why would you need tool's? :p

[Freak]

tool's freak? :D now why would you need tool's? :p
Because bad language doesn't always work :p

[Taff]

Good thread, good shout.
I carry fkin loads, all the time.
Got me tool roll (the tardis) on the front, and a little tiny bag hanging offa the swinging arm fulla stuff especially for electrical problems.
I generally ride with similar bikes to my own, and we wont leave anybody alone waiting for the AA, so its fkin great if 20 of you pull in, a couple fiddle about, and the guy who thought he was on the next ferry home can jump back on and carry on.
Occasionally if i have a mishap which can wait till i get home, i'll fix it from my tool roll.
If i can't, i put whats missing in, so i can next time if it happens to someone else.
Wouldn't be without me 1/4" drive socket set, mini mole grips, circlip pliers, and a thing what you attach to earth then poke wires with to trace broken wires.

PS- Kylie, break down in Yorkshire much do ya.....?

:eek: :D :D

[churchill]

whats a break down ???????



..gold wings may cease to function ..but break down ...never!!!!!!!!


wheres me piece of wood ..quick.!!!!!!!!!1

[John Hopkins]

Nothing, can't remember the last time I broke down!



Not that I never break down...Ive just got a bad memory! :D John

[tease]

Like Taff, I carry loads, a multi tool for easy fixes, leccy gear, a range of 1/4" sockets and a 4 n 5 mil allen key. But things get added all the time and as I ride with the same group alot we tend to have damn near a complete tool shed between us so when any of us break down for any reason we have what we need to get that one going again.

Latest addition? A set of jump leads after a recharge failure on our way up to sand dancer, problems sorted, but keep em with me now :D

[minxy]

Suzuki GS/X/Rs - gaffer tape/electrical tape (dodgy electrics, bodywork, mirrors falling off) fuses (plenty, dodgy electrics, main in line fuse holder), flat blade screwdriver and a 10/12mm spanner.

At the moment, I've got all the above stashed by the battery on the slabby including a spare throttle cable.

[Taff]

Charging problems are very common on HDs.
I've usually found it to be a user fault, ie trapped wire earthing out (they're very long and very hidden) or a loose alternator plug.
Does become a bind though swapping batteries thinking that's at fault, then finally realising its the rectifier thats at the root.
So i've fitted an ammeter in me side panel.
Flick th little switch at the side of it to check me own.
Lift the seat, unplug it, and swap it for the test wires and prods which live under the seat, takes seconds, and i can test anybody elses which is suspect.
Saves some fucking about on the road.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2043/ampbz3.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1913/amp002fs8.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/34/amp003ma6.jpg

[Simon B]

Thats a bloody good idea, think Ill try that meself.

This is one of the best threads Ive read on here

[Kylie]

Does make me larf all the people that just rely on the recovery cause you dont half look a twat if its just a nut and bolt need tightening

I am not really sure where you'd like to stick a decent set of tools on my bike.... There's only just enough space for my emergency pack of chocolate buttons!!!

And whats one of these "standard sets of tools"?

[Bassman]

Damn good idea that Taff... looks like we will be seeing that on a few bikes soon...including mine if i can figure out how to get the fecking chrome cover off that they have stuck on the battery box!! :mad:

[Simon B]

I am not really sure where you'd like to stick a decent set of tools on my bike.... There's only just enough space for my emergency pack of chocolate buttons!!!

And whats one of these "standard sets of tools"?


Blimey dont they even give you a tool kit on puch maxi's anymore

[Kylie]

Blimey dont they even give you a tool kit on puch maxi's anymore

A er... what?

There may have been a tool kit with my bike when it was new.... but its long gone! Most of the fairing bolts are different sizes, mostly blatantly not originals... Perhaps one day I will buy some and make them all the same size.. that would make a tool kit slightly easier...

[hermann]

Can someone suggest somewhere that I can get the automotive multi-connectors (preferably the 6 wire ones) that Taff has used for his wiring, cos I'm having a bitch of a job at the mo finding some.

[Big Pete]

vehicle wiring products or electrex, google them for the sites, both do mail order.

[hermann]

We've just invested in a cheap but full tool kit for the car (just from machine mart) so that when we see someone broken down on a bike and we're in the cage we can offer some more constructive help than (I can lend you my mobile or give you a lift to the petrol station) Cheers Big Pete.

[Yoda]

going from past experience with me and my trike i have a full toolkit on board today Bulldog or Bust (see trikes are good for something LOL)

Yoda

[Womble_Lancs]

So i've fitted an ammeter in me side panel.

Sounds like a great idea, but I'm a bit concerned about the connector marked 'MINE'. Is that an anti-theft device? Blow the buggers up? ;) :eek:

I carry the tool kit that came with the bike, plus a multi-tool (which includes screwdriver heads and a couple of torx bits), pressure gauge, tread depth gauge, a piece of electrical wire which is twice the length of the bike, electrical tape, fuses, a couple of scotch-locks & block connectors, pliers, wet-wipes (for hand and visor cleaning) and my trusty mobile phone.

The best bodge I did was when my throttle cable snapped at the grip end. I used a block connector to connect the end of the cable to a length of electrical wire and then wrapped the wire round the throttle grip. Very basic but it got me home.

[Taff]

vehicle wiring products or electrex, google them for the sites, both do mail order.

Get all my stuff from VWP.
Refuse to have halfords blue plastic plugs hanging everywhere.

[Big Pete]

indeed, they are utter shiite, look amateur, and arent really intended for external use.


And scotchloks are IMO the work of the Devil, whoever came up with them should have had his entire family burned alive before he was ritually slaughtered. Twist and tape is far superior.

[Big Pete]

Twist and shrink is great, and what I would use in a loom, but tape is more general purpose for side of the road stuff. The pre insulated connectors I always found a bit suceptible to vibration failures compared to the separates.

[minxy]

My bestest bodge was was my main in line fuse went and I really did fix it with a fag packet. Was paranoid all the way home that I could smell smoke tho! (Only coz I'd convince myself that it was going to catch fire :rolleyes: ) so I had to ride really fast to get home quick lol

[Big Pete]

Well I made the bad mistake of not aquiring enough tape when I finished work. I did however manage to hold on to several hundred metres of different sized shrinkfit. :D
.

Poor planning old chap ;) :D I managed to get the entire contents of the R&D stores :D



Use the wrong size wire in the wrong size receptacle, crimp it once and you have the usual standard of bike wiring butchery that people come across. This is what gives these connectors the undeserved bad reputation. I used to use lots of them and never had a problem but now my supply has dried up , I buy the jap type ones from vehicle wiring products and use an expensive ratchet double crimp tool to achieve a good standard.

True enough, the pressed tin crimpers cant get a decent crimp on the pre insulated terminals, even the expensive double ones we had to get recalibrated about once a month. I use the VWP jap ones as well, but I have to make do with a single crimper used twice.

[Womble_Lancs]

Twist and shrink is great, and what I would use in a loom

Really? It was someone doing a 'twist and shrink' job on my old GS that caused the wiring to overhead and set on fire, because of the increased resistance at the joint. The guy who sorted it for me said that anyone who does 'twist and shrink' should be shot.

I take your point on scotchloks though - once they're on, they're on, and if you did it wrong, it's tough shît.

[Taff]

I carry short inch and halfish lengths of single wire shrink wrap ready cut in me tool bag and twist and shrink with a lighter at side of the road.
I hate electrical tape, especially in awkward spots and/or on mucky/oily wire.

[Big Pete]

I should do that as well, the tape is useful for other bodges as well tho.

On the twist and shrink thing, most of the phone system is hooked up that way. If its done properly its a good joint, if its done badly its as bad as anything else. It doesnt suffer from fatigue like a soldered joint does. The usual problem with twisted joints is that they work loose (because they havent been taped or shrinked properly, and/or the wire isnt properly restrained) and arc, and the arc does all the damage. A decent twisted joint shouldnt have any appreciable resistance.

[Bosun]

Oh i often have a big roll of clear gaffar type tape at rallies etc
great for fixing Nnumber plates etc

[slob]

What are / is the following:

twist and shrink??

Scotchlocks?

I could google it but i'd rather know what they are and what they are good/bad for?


cheers ... Agreed this is a cracking thread and I obviously need to get my act together on the tool front cos the RAC card isn't adequate.

[Juke]

Tools?
As in weapons?

Oh , them kinda tools........ :rolleyes:
Wouldn't now how to use them, so if I was on the road, I would carry me fone. I know how to use that ok........... :p

[baldyshinehead]

so what kinda tools did you have in mind juke :confused:


Im gona regret asking that aint i

[Taff]

What are / is the following:
twist and shrink??
Scotchlocks?

Twist and shrink is a remarkably simple way of joining two, or a broken, wire.
Strip the plastic sleeving off the last 10-15mm of both bits of wire.
Slde a bit of heat-shrink tubing over one of 'em.
Twist the two exposed bits of wire together tightly and neatly, with no stray strands sticking out, to join 'em up.
Slide the tube over the copper join, and warm it up with a lighter or summat.
Shrinks round wire and join, makin it all neat and watterproof, and holds it in place if you got the right fit.

Scochlocks are these;
They'll get you home, but they are wank and they look wank.
Allrayt on ratbikes to show us how crazy, wacky, and dontgivafuk they are.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7843/scotchlokrk3.jpg

[slob]

Slide the tube over the copper join, and warm it up with a lighter or summat.
Shrinks round wire and join, makin it all neat and watterproof, and holds it in place if you got the right fit.

Scochlocks are these;
They'll get you home, but they are wank and they look wank.
Allrayt on ratbikes to show us how crazy, wacky, and dontgivafuk they are.




Cheers Taff. BTW I thought your built in volt meter was a bloody sensible idea. ... also liked your emergency windscreen removal tool :D

So in the same vein , is there a definitive list of 'must haves' for a tool kit?

What are those gator sockets like? I always thought they looked like a smart idea for a not too heavey job.. but i've never used one (they are the sockets full of pins so they fit any bolt/nut

[Taff]

Them sockets look toss to me.
Need a hell of a clearance round the head to fit em over it.
Get a 1/4 drive set and you can carry most sockets you'll need without taking up much room at all.

Mole grips are a must have.
Allen keys.
The electric poking tool what lights up inside if theres any juice or an earth, depending which battery terminal you clip the crocodile clip to. Like this; (http://www.toolspot.co.uk/product/6-12v-brass-circuit-tester)
A spare plug for finding if you got a spark without removing every bastard one, one after another.
Ty-wraps, fkin priceless.
Silicon gasket stuff.
Whatever you used last time you sorted that irritating little fix in the comfort of your shed.

[IPC_Jules]

emergency windscreen removal tool... incase hes in an accident and gets trapped in the bike? ;). the volt meter is a good idea though

I carry a fold out set of allen keys and common socket sizes (such as 8,10,11,12 and 13mm for my CB) and a 1/4 drive ratchet

just incase something comes loose really.

[Shaun the Fatman]

I go from one extreme to another with tools, normally it's me AA card and whatever tools I've stuck under the seat rather than bung back in the tool box.

For the Faro trip I went by the book and made up a decent toolkit with

Mini sockets, allen bits, Torx bits and mini screwdriver bits run off a t-bar socket driver (smaller than a socket set)
Emergency warning triangle (legal requirement overseas)
First aid kit (mainly for hangover cures but legal requirement...)
Tubeless Tyre repair kit with CO2 cylinders (one of those Metzler/BMW jobbies) and a bicycle-type pump
Small tyre irons, BMW Wheel/Spark plug wrench with extension bar.
Shrink tube, insulating tape, spare wire, spare spade connectors
Small combination spanner set, pliers and regular allen keys set
Two small torches (battery and plug-in... BMW socket see?)
Spare Bulb and fuse set (also legal requirement overseas)
Spare Spark plugs set & feeler gauge
Sounds a lot but it mostly fit into two A5 zipped bags that went into the cowl under the seat, apart from the triangle strapped to the luggage.

It was my first trip taking the bike overseas so I thought better safe than sorry... turned out I used most of it, although on a mates bike not my own.....
PS also had crocodile clips with the wire so I could turn a spare bulb into a circuit tester....
PPS should have taken Molegrips as well!

[tease]

The Intruder has the same types of problems Taff. I was thinking of a way to do the same thing.

Problem with the 1500 is it is a 14 amp battery and it could use a bigger one, just no room to fit it. I have completely redone my electric system replacing the lot, but there is one fix (if someone has a suzuki 1500, it may help).

I have done this on three bikes so far and charging probs have dissappeared. With the r/r being midway back on the bike the recharge wire goes through the main loom but goes through alot of connections and is quite a long trip losing power along the way.

I cut the recharge wire and wired it direct back to the battery with a 30 amp inline fuse right near the main fuse in the neck. I use a good quality 16 guage wire for this and I end up raising the recharge rate by ABOUT 1.5 amps. The big problem isn't on long trips, but on short ones where you are starting and stopping the bike and not giving it a chance to recharge, this has cured that.

[Taff]

Yep, if i'm going abroad i chuck some extras in the pannier.

Tyreweld.
Them CO2 canisters and the real fix-kit, drill bit and rubber plugs.
Home made (ie, smaller than car ones) jump leads.
If you dont wanna jump the offending bike every time, you can pass enough charge from a fully charging one by joining em up, battery to battery, and letting the good one tick over and charge the fucked one up.
Spare rec/rect (its a harley thing... :rolleyes: :mad: )
Probly more but forgot cos aint been over for a while.

Good fix Tease.
Aint there no gel batteries of smaller dimensions?
Seen some beauties on chops and stuff, and you can get away with utilising space brilliantly by standing em on end.
Maybe two side by side, connected to kick more wallop out.
Not a sparky, just a fixer, but someone will know if its possible.

[Taff]

This thread is great.
So refreshing to talk practically and glean and share practical advice about bikes.
Rather than ranting about men in skirts.

[Friar Tuck]

Right! tool kit......

1 Balaclava
1 zip up holdall
1 Sawn off shot..........


Oops! that's given the day job away! :(

[Kylie]

Emergency warning triangle (legal requirement overseas)
First aid kit (mainly for hangover cures but legal requirement...)


Is that still a legal requirement on a bike? Where were those spanish muppets in their flip flops carrying their first aid kits on the gixxer 1000's?? I couldn't fit a decent first aid kit under my seat, and certainly not one that conforms with the german requirements.

[Taff]

Fuck legal requirements.
Take what'll get you moving again.

[Thrud]

Zip ties... Allways handy.
Leatherman with torch.
Adjustable spanner.
Wire and insulating tape.
All these as well as the tool kit that came with bike.

[Kylie]

I could have all the tools in the world but if it isn't something thats gone wrong already (that I have therefore fixed) I'm buggered without my haynes manual!

Anyone know a compact bike mechanic that would fit under my seat?

[tease]

Anyone know a compact bike mechanic that would fit under my seat?
Ernie should fit :D

[tease]

Yep, if i'm going abroad i chuck some extras in the pannier.

Home made (ie, smaller than car ones) jump leads.
If you dont wanna jump the offending bike every time, you can pass enough charge from a fully charging one by joining em up, battery to battery, and letting the good one tick over and charge the fucked one up.
Spare rec/rect (its a harley thing... :rolleyes: :mad: )
Probly more but forgot cos aint been over for a while.

Good fix Tease.
Aint there no gel batteries of smaller dimensions?
Seen some beauties on chops and stuff, and you can get away with utilising space brilliantly by standing em on end.
Maybe two side by side, connected to kick more wallop out.
Not a sparky, just a fixer, but someone will know if its possible.

I have checked on gel batteries, but none to be found to fit, and no space to fit anything bigger. The battery in the 1500 is mounted right at the front and in quite tight and with the wiring and other systems rigged differently there is literally no space to remount anywhere else. I keep short leads myself to do the same thing. After this last time I THINK I have it sorted, but as in anything, time will tell.

The biggest problem is, with such a large engine it needs alot to kick over and the battery is just at the upper limit of the bikes needs. One day when time and money permit I may have to cut part of the frame out and rig in a bigger battery, but til then its all a matter of getting all I can out of the battery and charging system on it.

And I agree, this thread is what the whole thing should be about, advice on fixing, packing and making the bike as right as it can be so you can more enjoy the time you have ;)

Not big on the whole men in skirts thing myself.

[tease]

In a car it is a legal requirement to carry a first aid kit and warning triangle in Germany, but not on a bike. We are going in a group of 4 bikes, so I do have a small 1st aid kit and a soft triangle that we can share out as we all have soft bags and I have my rack bag.

The biggest thing is documents, but we have all that sorted. We are bringing tools and tape to fix any regular or medium size prob, but are all covered for anything not fixable on the spot. Guess its a matter of knowing your bike and the bikes riding with you and planning for what COULD go wrong, but you cant plan on everything.

I have been in contact with some of the clubs around some of the areas, and while I may not be a member, clubs like Legacy Vets are good people for me to know. I may not be a brother in a club, but as a vet we are all brothers in arms. Sometimes its knowledge you bring with you thats the most important tool.

[Shaun the Fatman]

Is that still a legal requirement on a bike? Where were those spanish muppets in their flip flops carrying their first aid kits on the gixxer 1000's?? I couldn't fit a decent first aid kit under my seat, and certainly not one that conforms with the german requirements.Strictly speaking it depends on the country you're going through, some are more paranoid than others. I heard stories of overseas plod generating revenue by blitzing foreign travellers with on-the-spot fines. Certainly a mate got done for 350 euros last year, he was Speeding but would have been less if he had the right gear and docs. e.g. the Triangle I used when my mate dyked his Aprila Futura, it was more to ward off local Plod interest than do any real good.

As it happened we travelled highly illegal speeds there and back and saw maybe 4 cop cars en route... (lots at Faro though.but NO Traffic Cameras... Bliss!)

Here's where I did research for my own trip overseas, meant mainly for cars but I found it helpful
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/touring_tips/AA_compulsory_equipment_june2006.doc

[Shaun the Fatman]

Problem with the 1500 is it is a 14 amp battery and it could use a bigger one, just no room to fit it. I have completely redone my electric system replacing the lot, but there is one fix (if someone has a suzuki 1500, it may help).
dunno about comparing the physical size issues there Tease (no lockker room humour intended) , but you might look at BMW gel batteries... standard for sports and GS oliheads is 14amp but they do a 19amp for the rest... and my R1150RS battery don't look as large as the one I had on my RoadKing. Loads of these advertised on ebay as Gel is standard for later model Beemers. I'm working on it tomorrow so I'll measure it up for a point of reference if you like.

PS Actually I dont need to measure it .. it's LxBxH = 7,32" x 3,22" x 6,85", (I assume that's inches rather than centimeters) from an advert on ebay selling Varta Gel replacements... here
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GEL-Battery-VARTA-BMW-R1150-RS-2002-2005_W0QQitemZ110019912645QQihZ001QQcategoryZ76120 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Mitch]

Just got me'sen a leatherman - I had to last weekend because one of my mandolin strings got twisted to hell after I'd broken it (playing with a tad too much exuberance in the middle of Eastbourne while on a morris stand).

Normally I carry a toolroll on't front of the bike with a couple of ring spanners, pliers, a plug spanner with 17mm socket on the end (attached to a 3/8ths drive) - GTs are awkward with getting to the inside two plugs, though nowhere near bad as a CX; and loads of tape, a stanley knife and spare wire for bridgeing my lights if they get shredded (they have before now - on't way home from't Pissed Indian last year when my bike's suspension was a bit too low with all the gear on't back).

Mrs R has usually got her AA/RAC card and her mobile to help her out - and me on the end of another phone.

[Dougie]

Did there not used to be someone selling helmet bags with a reflective warning triangle on 'em?The idea being if you broke down you put yer lid in the bag and stuck it down the road a bit,and when not in use it takes up next to no space.Mind you,won't stop any light-fingered wee scrotes from nickin' yer lid.........

[Dougie]

AHA!Quick Google (ooer!) and.......
http://www.getgeared.co.uk/acatalog/Motorcycle_Helmet_Bag_Break-down_Triangle.html

[saxman]

gaffer tape and cable ties, and a R.A.C. Card .............. ;)

[saxman]

Too tight to buy a tool kit? :D
of course............. :D

[pitbuell]

I find a buell-assist card an' a mobile is all I need, beats trailin' a magnet from the rear guard on the bonnie

[Shaun the Fatman]

Something else I thought I should say about "Get you home" strategies.

Have some good friends along when you dyke your pride and joy....

En route to Faro (sorry to go on about it, it was a memorable trip for me) a mate misjudged a curve and went off road, stripped the front wheel off the rim, pushed in his front end and bars, broke his controls, the usual. Oh and he cracked a few ribs. Didn't we just tease him about that, the twit.

In about 40 minutes between us we got the bars corrected, the tyre back on the rim, bodged up a replacement clutch lever from a tyre iron, made sure that traffic knew we were there and generally got the bike in a reasonable state to ride the 50 miles down to Faro... Which my mate was really in no state to do. He was duly given another mate's bike to get to Faro and the medical centre, while we nursed the bike there.

Turned out eventually that the Bike was an insurance writeoff, but if he had been riding alone he would have been in a very bad place.
Mates are great. :D

[Shep]

Good thread this.

It made me go and check what I've got under my seat. (You know what I mean!)

The standard kit's there, apart from the bits I replaced with superior tools.
Plenty of cable ties.
Penknife's missing!
Torch batteries dead!
Long nosed pliers had migrated!

So I've had a bit of a tidy-up, added a plug, a few heat shrink connector thingies, found a better bag to contain it all.

Feeling righteous now. (What's that about pride before a fall?)

[pyro]

just carry the pikey manufacturers kit...and rac card :D

And my fercking phone number.... :D

[STEViE]

Did there not used to be someone selling helmet bags with a reflective warning triangle on 'em?The idea being if you broke down you put yer lid in the bag and stuck it down the road a bit,and when not in use it takes up next to no space.Mind you,won't stop any light-fingered wee scrotes from nickin' yer lid.........
I think Gypsy and Doro may have some of these, if not try www.louis.de (http://www.louis.de)


Whats in the bag mister :

Long nose pliers
Small mole grips
Various spanners
A set of Allen keys
Cable ties
Electrical tape
Small screwdriver multi tool thingy
an' a few odd nuts an' bolts